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If you’ve played Capcom’s incredible fighter Street Fighter IV, you’ll probably be aware that end boss Seth and giant Thai kickboxer Sagat are more than a little useful. Seth’s got a move-set taken from Guile, Zangief and Dhalsim, and Sagat’s HK to Ultra is pretty much the easiest string of anti-air-to-guaranteed Ultra ever conceived in a fighting game. The verdict? Most fans reckon both characters are overpowered.

Now, for the first time, Capcom has admitted as much. Speaking to VideoGamer.com, Ryota Niitsuma, assistant producer of the arcade version of the critically-acclaimed fighting game, said Seth and Sagat “might have turned out a little bit stronger than we expected”.

When we asked Niitsuma, who is currently producing the western version of Wii-exclusive fighting game Tatsunoko vs. Capcom, if, looking back, he felt any Street Fighter IV characters were overpowered, he replied: “Well first of all I might have to apologise! Does he involve being slightly blinded and scarred [laughs]?”

He added: “Yes, Seth and perhaps Sagat might have turned out a little bit stronger than we expected.”

At the end of June, UK pro Ryan Hart won the official Street Fighter IV European Championship in London. He beat Frenchman Alioune Camara in the grand final. Both players picked Sagat.

Niitsuma, however, told us he thought Sagat and Seth aren’t “too out of proportion”.

“A good player of another character can always beat a good Sagat player or a good Seth player,” he said. “I don’t think it’s too out of proportion, but we do acknowledge that they turned out a bit more powerful than we expected.”

Niitsuma’s comments are backed up by the fact that none of the top three Street Fighter IV players in the world, Poongko (Ryu), the Korean National Champion, Iyo (Dhalsim), the Japanese National Champion, and legendary Street Fighter Daigo Umehara (Ryu), play as either Sagat or Seth.

Be sure to check out the full interview with Ryota Niitsuma right here.

What do you think readers? Are Sagat and Seth overpowered, or can a good player always win? Let us know in the comments section below?

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pillowface@ gomo

Actually, i was watching a street fighter 4 tournament in HMV today and Ryan Hart won 1st place as Sagat. 3 of the 4 people in the Semi Finals were Sagat also.
Posted 02:33 on 23 August 2009
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dav2612@ CheekyLee

Lee, you've been beaten by me so there is room for improvement :lick:
Posted 10:22 on 14 July 2009
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CheekyLee@ gomo

It's a matter of semantics, then. I don't think 'overpowered' is the same as 'broken', and I would certainly not suggest he is ban-worthy. But I would still like to see him nerfed slightly. Perhaps a slightly longer cool-down on the Tiger Shot, or slightly less range on the Ultra, or just a few less hit points.

I thank you for suggesting that I am better than I think. I am positive that I am better than my record shows! But, here's some more honesty about my level of ability. I have yet to complete the game on Normal without continuing, but the fewest number of continues I ever used was 1. That was the time I used Sagat!
Posted 10:05 on 14 July 2009
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gomo

I agree sagat is at the top (or at least one of the top few), but to me the word 'overpowered' suggests broken.

I doubt the people you are beating with sagat are THAT far below you...Maybe you should give yourself more credit. If they were that much better, they'd have answers for you, because skill at this game has way more to do with knowing the engine/match ups, and reading your opponent etc, than who you play with. If you are good enough to win with sagat, you're probably good enough to beat them with someone else, it might just take a little more work- which is pretty much the definition of character tiers.

When it comes to high level tourney play though- I guarantee nobody who doesn't deserve to be top 8 is going to get there just because he used Sagat. If you look at the landscape out there, you are seeing basically what you'd expect. The highest level well known players are winning or placing high in tourneys, mid/high level players are holding their own, and a few unknowns are making names for themselves- all regardless of who they chose to main. It's not like like you're seeing random sagats just blazing through all these good players purely based on Sagat's advantages.

To me that suggests that while he may be top tier, it's not to the point where it's a problem and/or the game is unbalanced.
Posted 01:02 on 14 July 2009
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CheekyLee@ gomo

Oh, I agree that Hart probably could have won with anyone, but I think there is more to it than just conincidence that the first European final involves two Sagats. All I know is that Sagat has enough advantages that even a fairly poor player like me can beat people I should not be beating simply by using him.
Posted 00:40 on 14 July 2009
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gomo

I'm not talking about "ever in their lives"... obviously this article is about sagat play in SFIV, and there has beeen no SFIV in previous evo tournaments, so there's no point to that statement.

The point of my question is whether he's been in any larger SFIV tournaments, where the other "Big Names" are playing. When I say "big names", I mean like the people who most people would consider the players to watch (at SFVI!) at this coming evo.

Among that list of people, the only sagat I can think of that wouldn't be a surprise if they took the whole thing is Mago- and mago is insanely good... it's not like he does well only because he uses Sagat. You could probably say the same for Ryan winning the European championship- I'm sure he could have chosen to main anotehr character and still win.

BTW, was Heart at Stunfest in France? Cus Justin Wong (Rufus/Abel player) was running through fools there, and is now representing Europe at SBO in SFIV, so....you know...
Posted 23:01 on 13 July 2009
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CheekyLee@ gomo

Pretty sure Ryan Hart has done well at previous Evo tournaments.
Posted 22:40 on 13 July 2009
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gomo

lol, that 1 tournament out of how many?... Have either of those guys entered any larger tournaments? Well, we'll see how they do if they come to EVO.
Posted 22:36 on 13 July 2009
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CheekyLee

Quote:
Originally Posted by gomo
if you notice, there are really NO Sagat players winning any major tourneys,
Really? How about ...Quote:
Originally Posted by Capcom Europe
In a twist of irony, the final match was a repetition of the very first match of the tournament, Ryan vs Alioune, Sagat vs Sagat.
Posted 21:51 on 13 July 2009
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wyp100@ gomo

"BTW, the article names Daigo as the Japanese National champion and that is not correct."

That was a typo - the word and has been removed.
Posted 19:43 on 13 July 2009
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gomo

Oh great, thanks capcom- more ammo for all the whiners out there that complain about sagat. He's top tier- most fighting games have characters like that- but as was stated in the article- if you notice, there are really NO Sagat players winning any major tourneys, and there ARE good players maining sagat out there (mago, ilovujoe, somuchdamage). To me- it's contradictory of him to say he is overpowered, but his power isn't "too out of proportion". Isn't that what overpowered means?? I agree with what I think he means to say- high powered: yes, overpowered: no.

Not sure where they got those people as the top 3 players either... Justin beat Poongko and Iyo and lost to Daigo. Not saying he's definitely better, but it's weird to just pick those 3 as the top in the world with no mention of the American national champ...

(note: post edited, as article was updated)
Posted 18:41 on 13 July 2009
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Wido

To describe Seth.... Well, lets just say hes no man or beast when fighting against him on hard ;) Spent over 2hrs trying to beat him and I managed to beat him by a lucky E-Honda Ultra Combo...

Sagat is slow but has powerful moves. I did expect Sagat to be powerful and of course Seth. Would Bison & Zangeif come into this equation? Afterall they both have some poweful move like all of the fighters have.
Posted 13:09 on 13 July 2009
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CheekyLee

Seth as boss is ridiculous, but I have yet to come across anyone playing him online who gets my blood boiling anywhere near as much. Sagat, however, is vastly over-prioritised. He hits hard, which is fair enough, but he also always hits first. Something needs changing.

Put it this way ; I don't EVER play as him, but last night landed on him 3 times with random selection. I won all 3 matches fairly easily.
Posted 12:44 on 13 July 2009
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Woffls

Haha, brilliant. I always thought Sagat was overpowered, Seth is an obvious one. Sagat has most of the move variety that Ken/Ryu have, and the agility, but on top of that he can cover too much ground too quickly.
Posted 12:22 on 13 July 2009

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Release Date: 20/02/2009
Developer: Capcom
Publisher: Capcom
Genre: Beat 'em Up
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