Gears of War: Judgment News for Xbox 360

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Epic Games' vice-president Mark Rein has confirmed that the company has been in talks with Sony and Microsoft to help "shape" the next-generation of consoles, adding that he's happy to wait until next-gen hardware can offer "a massive leap in performance and capabilities than get something today."

"If you're talking about the console you plug into the wall at home, I think that needs to be a really big jump," said Rein talking to VideoGamer.com at Develop about next-gen hardware.

"I think it needs to be a really good justifiable, 'Oh my gosh, look what you can do now that you couldn't do before'. And to do that at a reasonable price it just takes time.

"It's going to come out whenever it comes out," he continued, "and again, the whole do it right versus right now thing, I'd much rather get a massive leap in performance and capabilities than get something today."

Rein added that the firm's GDC 2011 Samaritan demo, which showed a cyberpunk peacekeeper battling thugs in a gritty city street, "was a demo to show what we think the consoles should... what we would like the next gen consoles to be able to do.

"In determining what the next consoles will be, I'm positive that [Sony & Microsoft are] talking to lots and lots of developers and lots of middleware companies to try and shape what it is. We've certainly been talking with them and we've been creating demonstrations to show what we think.

"And obviously the Elemental demo, same thing. We're certainly showing capability if they give us that kind of power, but so is everybody else."

When asked what next-generation consoles could offer over the current generation besides a leap in power, Rein added:

"Well if you were asking me to make a little crystal ball prediction, I think you're already seeing the console manufacturers making leaps and bounds in the services they provide on the console.

"For example, you've seen Sony make lots of improvements. They added lots of new entertainment related things and new features to the XMB; cloud services and things like that. Same thing with Microsoft: they now have cloud saves and Hulu and that awesome NBA stuff they showed. They're just layering and layering on really cool services already, so I think that you will see a big improvement in services.

"The new consoles will do something even more profound with that than they do today. I think you're seeing them getting ready for that, slowly creeping up a little bit to a point that when they get hardware that has new capabilities they will take advantage of them. And then I also think we will get a big bump in graphics capability and memory and the things that we need to push our games forward."

But despite the possibilities offered by next-gen consoles and Unreal Engine 4, Rein says that Epic is still "grateful" to see Microsoft support Xbox 360 almost seven years after launch.

"We're very happy with the state of the console business with Xbox 360," he said. "We've made successful games on it. Gears of War 3 did extremely well as you saw and Gears of War: Judgment is fantastic. So I don't really have anything negative to say about what they've done [with prolonging the console cycle].

"We're grateful to have Xbox 360, and we're grateful that they supported it so well and created so much cool innovation on it so late in its life-cycle. We're happy with Xbox 360."

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I don't think that 2015 is even likely unless there's a massive jump in tech between now and then.
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Posted 15:58 on 13 July 2012
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Lew3107

I don't think regular console buyers want to pay for this "generational leap in performance", because that's gonna be really expensive. If people are gonna want what they saw in the UE4 demo, that's near $1000/£1000, or even more, so I don't see that happening. PCs are always the way to go for power.
On a related note though, I think this is kind of a slap in the face to Nintendo. I mean, why weren't they talked to? Sony & Microsoft get Epic's plans for next gen, and Nintendo just get "meh, UE4 works on your console, bye now". It's partially their fault for not being at all interested in power, but come on!
If Sony & Microsoft listen to Epic, and make über powerful consoles, I think it will be a problem. People won't be able to afford that much for a console, but won't want the one they can afford because it's weaker than the other two. Not just that, but game developers that make use of this high-end performance will have to sell millions just to break even, since it is ridiculously pricey to make a game to that will push that technology to the edge. For the sake of everyone, I think it should stay close to what we can already see, then expand on it, because coming flat out with a console as powerful as a PC will kill developers and put off buyers.
Posted 09:38 on 13 July 2012
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BC_Animus

Not likely perhaps, but consoles could potentially go the other way too btw - instead of bigger and more flashy, they could go the more affordable less techky route, focusing instead on streaming services and cloud gaming.

Or maybe we'll see a return of the powerglove and VR suits. Lawnmower man baby, woooo!
Posted 06:39 on 13 July 2012
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Endless

I dunno. I'm ready for games to be bigger, broader, more in-depth, more connected and with a greater degree of detail in all aspects. I feel the current generation of consoles is actually holding back this level of production.

In my mind it's consoles that drive software and PCs that drive hardware.

Which is a bit of a catch 22 really. Consoles cant drive new bigger, better software without the hardware to support and facilitate them. But no-one sees a need for new hardware in consoles because PCs dont have the software that makes everyone think 'Wow, if only consoles had that hardware, they'd be able to do so much more!'

The problem as I see it, and as mark rein sees it, is that top end hardware is still to expensive for them to put it in a console. A top of the range graphics card will set you back £1000. On it's own. A top of the range CPU roughly £400. Thats just not attainable for consoles. BUT they dont need anywhere near that if the SDKs that harness the hardware are optimised, as they are now, for a specific loadout.

I think they could easily create a 'WOW' experience with cheap mid-range hardware as a console. But it's going to take either a PC developer to put the effort in or a console manufacturer to push the boat out.

Though if you look at MMOs, they are really pushing the boundaries. The secret world for example looks absolutely amazing and has such good production values. Guild Wars 2 has some huge leaps in RPG terms.
Posted 19:25 on 12 July 2012
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FantasyMeister

I don't think we've ever had a console gap this long (7 years now?) so it's kinda new and interesting for everyone.

Traditionally PC gaming starts a resurgence roughly around a console's mid-lifespan but we're only really starting to see really impressive stuff from new engines and tech in the last year or so, which really indicates that there still isn't a need for new consoles for a few years yet.

Most commentators seem to still think 2013 is the year for new hardware announcements, but I don't think that 2015 is even likely unless there's a massive jump in tech between now and then.

So I'm expecting a few console redesigns over the next couple of years rather than upgrades, set in stone new console announcements I'm not expecting next year at all.
Posted 14:11 on 12 July 2012
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BC_Animus

Bringing out the next gen too early could potentially kill the console market too IMO.
Posted 13:59 on 12 July 2012
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BC_Animus

I completely agree. You know I really don't see why the PS3 and Xbox360 need replacements at this stage in time. There really haven't been any major innovations or breakthroughs in tech that warrant an update to those consoles.

Bringing out the next gen too early would only shorten their lifecycles at best, or at worse gimp them severely shortly after their launch.
Posted 13:58 on 12 July 2012

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