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Sony has revealed its latest-generation 4K Ultra HD Media Player – and it looks strikingly similar to a PlayStation 4.

The FMP-X10 features the familiar stacked design of the PS4, but with a flat front and glossy finish. But do you think it looks better? Let us know what you think in the comments below.

The FMP-X10 goes on sale this summer and lets users download and stream 4K films and TV episodes from Netflix and Sony's Video Unlimited 4K service. It also features 1TB of storage – twice the amount of PS4 – and includes support for Sony's TRILUMINOUS Color technology.

A price for the device has yet to be announced.

What isn't yet clear, however, is when Sony plans to introduce 4K support to PlayStation 4 itself.

In an FAQ published just prior to the console's launch last year, Sony said that "support for high-resolution 4K output for still images and movie content is in consideration, but there are no further details to share at this time. PS4 does not currently support 4K output for games."

VideoGamer.com has contacted SCEE to ask whether it still has plans to introduce 4K support to PS4 at a later date.

Source: blog.sony.com

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Lalaland

Oh that's certainly the case but the announced bitrates are very worrying even with the improved compression, from 15Mbps h265 on Netflix to the very vague 'up to 100Mbps' hevc encodes from Sony Unlimited

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/201401/14-002E/

If Sony deliver on the 100Mbps comment we will be at greater than BD 4k quality.
BD 50Mbps*(0.5 hevc efficiency)*4(pixel increase over 1080p)

Of course scaling is not strictly linear with lossy codecs so my math is very crude but the lack of robust 'better than Blu-Ray' messaging makes me sceptical.
Posted 15:05 on 16 April 2014
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Karlius

Quote:
The FMP-X10 goes on sale this summer and lets users download and stream 4K films and TV episodes from Netflix and Sony's Video Unlimited 4K service. It also features 1TB of storage – twice the amount of PS4 – and includes support for Sony's TRILUMINOUS Color technology.


The key wording here is "Download and Stream". This suggests you have an option. The other key pointer is the 1TB HDD.
Posted 13:59 on 16 April 2014
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Lalaland

If it's a buffered playback sure that would work but alas no one is offering that or the redCine codec for streaming/buffering. I've seen the redCine codec in action and it is incredibly impressive but requires too much local grunt to decode which is why the redCine player costs so much (and why the redCine accelerator cards are required for editing rushes even on high end Avid rigs).

It just seems we're in a race to the lowest common denominator just like in the VHS/Betamax wars, it seems BD will be the last consumer format to put IQ first. The challenge right now is that with streaming we are stuck with having to cater for a lcd that is both the playback device and the available bandwidth when with physical media playback that baseline is determined by the player alone. In the former case I know the hardware can play it back but I don't know how much b/w my user will have, the temptation has always been to cater for everyone on the basis of the worst case scenario (witness the relative dearth of content in SuperHD). With BD and physical formats none of that is the case if they buy your disc they can watch your movie without risk of stutter or slowdown.
Posted 13:42 on 16 April 2014
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Karlius@ Lalaland

That is all true enough but you are negating to think of the possibility of a delayed download. There is nothing stopping these companies implementing a buffer just as Sky does with it's service. It can then calculate the amount of buffer time needed for continuous play on the DL speed present. As connections get better the buffer time reduces.

For example RedRay's formatting needs a 20Mbps connection for their "Near Perfect" 4k streaming. And early indications say they aren't lying.

All I know every year compression algorithms improve and every year internet speeds improve and where I am pretty damn sure is that by the time these things are mainstream devices most of the population will be on more like 30-40Mbps connections.

I have said for years that Blu Ray is the last physical disc media playing device and this news supports those feelings.

As for 4K support in the PS4 it's HDMI output is capable of 4k so why not.
Posted 13:31 on 16 April 2014
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Lalaland@ wacky_

:D I'm a bit of an Image Quality nut when it comes to film and I hate this trend to 'good enough' IQ driven by the crappy, crappy quality of streaming services.

For comparison:
Netflix SuperHD (h264 codec): 7-8 Mbps
BD (VC-1 or h264 codec): 40-50 Mbps
Netflix 4K (h265 codec): 15 Mbps

h265 is a new video codec believed to offer a 50% lower bitrate for the same quality as h264 leading most to believe that ~30Mbps is required to deliver a good as BD level of quality while streaming. The problem is that in the largest market segment for streaming (the US) there just isn't the infrastructure to support streaming at those rates so you cut quality to squeeze the film into using less b/w. As a result you wind up with a '4K' image that looks worse than the 1080p BD disc you bought 8 years ago on your fancy new 4K tv despite the BD offering only 25% of the resolution of your 4K stream.
Posted 12:55 on 16 April 2014
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wacky_@ Lalaland

I have no idea what any of that means.
Posted 11:24 on 16 April 2014
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Lalaland

These 4K players are the pits, if 4K is to be streamed you can stuff it Hollywood. Blu-Ray gives me 50Mbps VC-1 to be used across 1920x1080 pixels what kind of fools do they take us for if they're claiming that 15Mbps across 3840 x 2160 will provide better quality? As an example look at YT their '1080p' streams at the same bit rate as their 720p streams meaning in most cases selecting 1080p gets you a worse image than the lower res 720p stream.

SuperHD from Netflix is already a bag of hammers compared to BD, if Hollywood and the consumer electronics industry want to sell me all of my content again they'll have to try much harder than this. Upscaling BD to 4K will still likely be a better picture than what is promised.

I'm aware of the challenges of distributing 4K, the redCine player is a seriously expensive piece of kit, and there is no agreed standard for media but unless streaming is basically a giant hard drive buffering high bit rate content they can shove it as far as I'm concerned (and I have 150Mbps).
Posted 10:48 on 16 April 2014
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