There is much about football that doesn't make sense. How Chelsea can let go of Jose Mourinho, one of the greatest managers in the world, is one example. That England fans expect the national team to win every game despite having failed to win anything in over 50 years is another. But the fact that the world's two premier football video games are made in Canada and Japan, ranked 54 and 34 respectfully in the FIFA World Rankings, is perhaps the most mind-boggling piece of nonsensical football trivia ever. It also makes you wonder how they manage to produce such spell-blindingly good football games.
We'll acknowledge the FIFA VS PRO debate now, but actually leave it alone until later in the review. Instead we're diving straight in at the deep end like a Cristiano Ronaldo pirouette in the opposition's penalty area. First thing you'll notice about FIFA 08, developed by EA Canada, is how impressive the game looks, especially on a large HD TV. In a normal match, with the camera in its default position, the game looks stunning, and would fool non-gamers into thinking they are actually watching a real-life football match. The game is perhaps the closest the industry has ever got to achieving a photo realistic virtual game of football.
You'll be amazed at how life-like the players move about the pitch. Animations are varied and fluid and players interact with each other with an impressive degree of aggression - arching their back to shield the ball, tugging and jostling for 50 50s and raising their elbows for headers. Add in the genuinely impressive way you can tell individual footballers a mile off and what you have is perhaps the first truly next-gen looking football game. At least for the first half-an-hour of gaming anyway.
But we're not in the habit of playing a £40 game for half-an-hour, putting it down and declaring it the next Maradona. Unfortunately for FIFA 08, the more time you spend with the game, the more you'll notice that the EA polish is once again papering over rocky foundations. A bit like little Mickey Owen.
As soon as you get a replay you'll notice something strange about the players' faces. We know it's EA's trademark sweat effect, but it just looks like someone has rubbed Wayne Rooney's head through a car wash. You could shave your face looking at his forehead, so shiny and polished does it look. While the sweat effects might work in an EA basketball game, where there are less players on screen and more detail in each, in FIFA 08, when you zoom in close it looks depressingly false. All this does is further shatter the 'you're playing like a real footballer would' illusion the game is so at pains to push.
We noticed slight graphical differences between the PS3 and Xbox 360 versions too. It looks a little better on 360 - crisper and more fluid, despite EA's claims that both would run at 60 fps. It's a very subtle difference, but noticeable nonetheless. Generally, EA Sports next-gen titles haven't looked as good on PS3 compared with the Xbox 360 (Madden 08 runs at half the frame rate on PS3), and FIFA 08 is no different. If you're lucky enough to own both consoles, the 360 version is the one to get, unless you have an affinity to the Sixaxis controller, which we know many football game fans do seeing as it's essentially the Dual Shock sans the shock.
Did we mention the players look fat? Not in normal view, of course, but up close, the players don't look built like brick walls, they look like walls of lard. Didier Drogba is huge, and the creases of his shirt make it look like his belly is rolling over his shorts. Super Franky Lampard won't be impressed with his virtual alter-ego either. While we welcome any effort to make the players feel like they carry some weight on the pitch, and don't simply skate around on an ice-rink made of grass, this is going too far. We didn't sign up for Lard Ass United VS Five Bellies FC.
Another nail in the simulation coffin is the commentary. Again, play for 20 minutes and you'll think it's the best commentary you've ever heard, as you would expect with an EA sports title. But play more than a few games with the same team and you'll start to get very annoyed by repeated commentary for specific players. If I have to hear Sky Sports presenter Martin Tyler say Shaun Wright-Phillips is a "bundle of energy" one more time, I'm going to throw my controller at the TV. There are also points where it falls down, like when Martin gets very excited for nothing, or is completely calm when he should be jumping up and down and having a fit.
Presentation apart, the game plays well enough. The impressive ball physics creates a much better feeling of randomness than in previous FIFA games, and is approaching the 'no two goals ever the same' feel of PES. It's not quite there, but again, a marked improvement. EA has also implemented a new manual mode of control, which is basically playing the game without any assists not only for passing and shooting, but for through balls and crosses too. This makes the game brutally hard. The games we played in manual resulted in numerous misplaced passes, woeful shots and a general war of attrition in the centre of the park. Think Everton VS Bolton on a bad day. While it feels like gamers willing to practice hard in this mode will certainly reap reward, we're not sure it's suitable for casual gamers who love FIFA for its high scoring games and pick up and play arcade feel.
When played with assists on though, it's still very hard to score. Dare we say it, even harder to score than in PES. How ironic. The fancy skills are practically useless in a multiplayer game, and it's almost impossible to go round a player. Instead you have to craft openings with slow building moves from the back, which is how it should be of course, but perhaps not this hard.
So, we finally turn our attention to the inevitable FIFA VS PES debate. This isn't for the decided, since the loyal will probably stick with their preferred game no matter what. This is for the undecided, the floating voter, the glory hunter, the one who goes where the money is. Should you wait a month and get PES 2008, or should you take the plunge and get FIFA 08 now?
The answer, inevitably, depends, and can't be properly answered until PES comes out at the end of October anyway. Most hardened PES fanatics will admit that the last game, Pro Evolution Soccer 6, was somewhat of a disappointment, especially on the Xbox 360, which hardly had any editing options or game stats. But the game was still unmistakeably PES, with perhaps the greatest football game engine ever conceived carrying it through its undeniable flaws. In many ways this year is the perfect time for EA to step it up against its great rival, which it may see as under a degree of pressure from its own rabid fanbase. Could previously loyal PES owners risk ultimate disgrace and dump a sinking ship, like Sol Campbell leaving Spurs for Arsenal?
It's clear that EA has concentrated on improving the realism of its engine, and made sure the graphics and presentation remain just as good as ever. The Be A Pro: Co-op Season mode is a case in point. In it you control one player from the team, calling for a pass, telling players to shoot and keeping your performance rating up by staying in position, marking your men and doing a professional job. You even do a Gears of War style roadie run when you have the ball and run at players. It's interesting in theory, and certainly will be more fun multiplayer than it is on your own, but we're not sure it will ever prove more popular than the normal mode of play.
Gamers are screaming out for a truly next-gen football title, and in this FIFA is leagues apart from PES. FIFA 08 also comes with perhaps the most comprehensive set of online features ever seen in a football game. You can access real world tables and statistics from all the major leagues, the latest news on your club, as well as a sticker album-type accomplishment system which looks very nice indeed. One of them is win 20 man of the match awards using teams from the Mexican league. That's accomplishment 100 and certainly won't be gained by many players.
EA is also promising five-on-five online play next year via a future patch, which immediately puts PES 2008 under pressure to do the same. Tack on the what we know is always better about FIFA - the menus, loading screens, real player names and teams - and this really is shaping up to be one of the more interesting PES VS FIFA battles for some time. A bit like the Premier League then.
But none of the sheen stops us feeling a degree of sadness when playing FIFA. Sadness in that here we have a lovely looking and functionally excellent game, but it's just not got that certain je ne sais quoi, that va-va-voom. If we could just combine FIFA with PES, perhaps creating FES, or PEFA, we would probably never need another football game, and we'd all be singing from the terraces. As it is, it's a gorgeous, decent football game that's trying a bit too hard to be PES when it should be celebrating what it already was.








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Take it that it's easier to score in a brothel than on FIFA 08 too?
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i got demo
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A much vast improvement over PES'06, the movement/pace of the players is just right now. Plus the gameplay of PES has been improved and tightened up, giving the series a bigger lead over FIFA.
FIFA feels sluggish and you don't feel totally in control, although I did have high hopes for EA to at least be on par with PES. FIFA'08 is at least better than PES'06 but Konami has come up trumps again in showing whose the king of soccer genres.
Maybe next time EA, keep trying!
Oh btw, please include a referee next time! :)
~2PS~
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and that is not true pes is scripted..and every pes fan knows that and if gamer try to score the same way as the previous goal than they call him a cheater...which means there is problem with konami engine .( check youtube)
Even defenders make stupid moves so that the scripte work it's way.....many many things....
fifa= near realism(not perfect and only fifa 08)
pes= realism illusion(script)
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I really had high hopes for Fifa 08, and was really looking forward to it´s release. I´ve watched every trailer, read every preview, seen every screenshot and really couldn´t wait for it to come out.
Then i played the demo...
Yes the graphics are great truly great, and the presentation is slick, the licenses are there and the be a pro mode innovative a, but...the feeling of you actually playing is not there.
Through all the matches I played I sweated, swore and basicly struggled really hard. But not once did I smile, not even when i scored. Not even a slight twitch in the corner of my mouth, and I really really REALLY wanted to like this game.
To put it simple, It just isn´t fun.
Then I got the PES 08 demo and tried that, what a difference. There you actually feel that you have control, that YOU made that crucial pass, that the feint you did actually fooled the defender.
What Fifa 08 is, is a truly gorgeous looking football broadcast, it´s beautiful to watch but thats it. Unfortunatly for EA and fifa, i think the gamers actually want to play a game and not just to watch a pretense of game.
Bottomline If PES 08 would have the looks of fifa, well that would be the ultimate football game, but until then I´ll settle for the game that is most fun to play and this season my intended FIFA money will go to PES 08
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its way better than pes6 and i havent played pes7 but from the screenies i have seen of pes7 it looks a bit more gimmikie (with its fan rating in the ml and the footage of fans) and thats about it.
fifa really plays well. its very hard (im playing it with the manual not assisted settings) and im feeling its gameplay is rather pes like.
it looks really good, the kits are there and if you can forgive the slightly dodgy looks of some of the players then you will love this game.
i always slate fifa because the players look plastic and the game is easy to play and with the tap of three buttons you have a burst up the wing, a cross and a goal. in this next gen game there is none of that.
its difficult to score, hell its difficult to get shots on target. there is no flukey shots that you do get in pes and the game is unpredicable.
to sum it up: unlike other fifas this game is great to play, its tough not just to score but to pass and to get a good flowing momentum to your side. its like pes was in pes5 (before the players in pes6 made stupid mistakes frequently).
you do have skill moves which adds to the realism but like in real life you need to practice them to get them to work in the game. its tough trust me im trying to get them down.
fifa does have some mistakes still. the players who are supposed to look sweaty do look a little strange still and some really dont look alike but pes also has issues (arsenal kit is faulty as was the milan and chelsea kit in pes5) so neither game is flawless.
i say if you are lucky buy them both. if not fifa is a sound investment with its career mode (which is better than the ml in pes), its online play and interactive world cup will be a highlight when the new patch is released and the be a pro mode is looking brilliant and testing also.
i havent played pes7 yet but it does genuinely have a lot to live up to. if it doesnt play as fluidly as fifa08 does (if you played pes6 you will know what i mean when your running in a direction as when you move another way the movement is rather sharp) then you should get fifa.
for me pes wont be worth the money for lots of unlicensed teams and the premiership, a gimmikie master league mode with some footage of fans in the pub cheering the team on, and i have to be honest i hate the bland style of the menus and the shoddy match graphics (who ate all the pies and the gigantic flags in the corwd).
until now i loved pes passionately for its immensely enjoyable gameplay and realistic looking players but as im writing this i realise i put up with a lot of things i dont like with pes because fifa is normally so shocking to play as a real football fan. however fifa has raised its game big time so konami have to blow pes6 out of the water with pes7.
for now i say buy fifa and enjoy your football. konami i really hope you make me look stupid with pes2008 and make it the most amazing pes yet but i dont think you can better this version of fifa tbh.
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im playing the game right now and its the football game ive dreamnt of (pes + fifa in one).
there are only 3 things i dislike about it:
- the players look a bit too bulky and not as realistic as pes
- the nets dont ripple as beautifully as they do on pes
- you cant blast the ball into the roof of the net (its more realistic but i do wish you could do it now and again, although you might be able to and i just havent done it yet).
thats it, i cant come up with anything else and as a total pes nut i have been trying to for days.
it genuinely is better than pes so far. i do believe it wil be better than pes7 purely because from all the photos and vids i have seen of pes they havent improved as much as fifa has (they have only really added things like subs celebrating and fan reactions).
the only reason people chose pes over fifa is because fifa is really unrealistic to play, you can use david beckham to bomb up the wing and cross perfectly on to the head of rooney 10 times and you get a goal each time.
now thats gone, with all the settings to manual (except for shooting - which needs a bit of assistance coz its impossible to get shots on target) you have total control and freedom of play. there are rare mistakes from players, defenders who you would expect to win the ball do and the skill moves have to be precise to work. no more fifa bullsh*t.
pes has a lot to live up to as far as im concerend and the more i play fifa i realise we pes fans put up with a lot of shoddy graphics, snidey teams, dodgy 'who ate all the pies' signs and flares etc. just to experience a great game of footy. fifa has given it to us finally and pes needs to sort all the above issues to make me put fifa down
... i cant believe i said that, i never imagined this day of me eating fifa humble pie would come.
im sorry fifa, please let me play.
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- just the fat/ugly players to fix and more ripling on the nets, get to work.
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pretty sure we won the world cup 41 years ago mate
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