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For:Xbox 360 Release Date: 22 October 2009

Game development is 'like Tetris', explains Turn 10's Dan Greenawalt.

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Forza 3 is set to be one of the best-looking racers of the year, boasting realistic crash damage, a highly-detailed physics system and fluid 60 frames per second motion. But according to Turn 10's Dan Greenawalt, the game's director, there's still plenty of juice to be squeezed out of the Xbox 360.

"Have we maxed out the 360? Of course not," said Greenawalt, speaking to VideoGamer at a Microsoft event last week. "It's a really powerful system."

There's a common misconception about the way games are built, explained Greenawalt. Gamers will often speak of games failing to use the full power of a given console, but the reality of development is quite different.

"When it comes to hardware you always use 100 per cent. Even to make a little arcade game, you'd use 100 per cent of the hardware. But when you're first party, and when you've got a really clever development staff that's world class, hired from all over the industry, then you learn tricks. It's like Tetris.

"With Forza 2 we were the first game on the 360, at least that I know of, that could do 60 frames per second. And we did a lot of things wrong when we built our model. We did some things right, but just like a jigsaw puzzle, the first time you build it, it takes an hour, and the second time you build it, it takes half an hour. Eventually it just takes 15 minutes, because you learn how to build it faster."

You'll be able to read more from Greenawalt in our full interview transcript, later today.

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Mr_Ninjutsu

Ok, because I model 3d objects/environments etc etc, i understand why they have maxed out the ps3. And its plain and simple, the shear amount of polygons that need to be constantly rendered. I mean if you take a closer look at the environments, the amount of detail is ridiculous. On the broken down buildings, hundreds of bricks are sticking out, a heck load of broken walls are on the floor, particle effects etc etc it just goes on and on.

ND truly are one of the best game developers out there and have the best team for environments i have seen. And to be honest, the same level of detail could not be recreated on the 360 using the same technique and keeping the same frame rate.

But that doesn't mean i dont think it can be achieved any other way, but like Dan Greenwalt said, its like Tetris. But ND are really really good at Tetris.
Posted 07:54 on 29 September 2009
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ghostdog25

Just remember... if they are saying the 360 isn't maxed out... don't forget the PS3 isn't either and it's newer technology with a longer lifespan and more power. Go take a look at the new Gran Turismo 5 screens.... Good Lord!
Posted 05:42 on 29 September 2009
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DarthKratos7

It's sad to hear that after 4 years 1/2 the 360 has not been maxed out yet. To me the 360 is already maxed out and squeezed to it's potential. That's why they're rolling out the "Project Natal" so that this way they can pro-long the 360 lifespan and try something new, a new experiment. Even Microsoft quoted the natal being a next system launch. We're seeing the same with sony. They are introducing a new feature for their system which would pro-long use, the "motion controller".
Posted 03:18 on 29 September 2009
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dextrous@ renegade

Just a shame the eggbox 3s**tty cant do full 1080p and 60 fps. oh well ps3 takes over the war and wins. natal= ps eyetoy circa 2001
Posted 20:03 on 28 September 2009
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Enkeixpress

Dan Greenawalt is always right because he's got that awesome beard :D

THIS IS ... FORZAAAA!!!!! :)
Posted 19:23 on 28 September 2009
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Enkeixpress

so.. 360 is not maxed out?

But.. But.. o.O
Posted 19:20 on 28 September 2009
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renegade

Gurilla : Well we can do better than killzone so na na

Crytek : Well we can make games that look like they are real, sadly you need to take out a mortgage to buy the PC for it

we have heard it all before :D ND only just said they maxed out the PS3, but the trailers do look sweet as lol
Posted 18:31 on 28 September 2009