Well nothing really does it...We have a marketing challenge....well duh! new console, needs to be marketed...competition from other areas, well yep thats a given...is anyone else tiring of these trite little articles...God, the squeezing of news tidbits from the smallest comment is getting as bad as the gossip mags...shame on you Pro-G
At Wii3 (as I like to call it, since it was all about the Wii) the time to play the Wii got up to 6 hours. The PS3 line was not even 30 minutes. Sony actually expects to sell out on the first day? If any console is going to sell out on the first day or maybe even break a record for most consoles sold on the first day, it's going to be the Wii. Wii is already extrememly popular and focuses on gaming as their top selling point, unlike Sony who has the Blu-Ray as their top selling point. Wii are the champions.
Many people think the ps3 will fail just because of its high price and everybody will just buy Premium 360 and a wii. But if you really look at it, the 600$ PS3 can actually save you money, compared to the xbox. Lets say you buy a 360 for 400$. So you want to connect to your wireless network at home -100$ for network adapter, ps3 already has that. Then you want to play online, it was like 50$ a year, ps3 is free online. Then, you want to watch hd movies with your 360. Spend more money on a hd dvd add-on, ps3 already has blue ray.
Also a lot of people were dissapointed at the games from E3, but ps3 is a very complicated machine and developers need time to learn how to utulize all its power. Just look at ps2 games right now, they look way better than the launch ps2 titles. It will be the same for ps3. 2-3 years down the road ps3's games will be graphically superior to the xbox 360's games.
Im not even talking about the wii because its going in a different direction, but im sure it will do at least as good as the ds.
PS3 or the wii will most likely win the console war because xbox 360 sell less than a thound console a week in Asia. Compared to 1 million Ds lite. Asians hate microsoft period and since they make up a third of the world population what ever they choose will win.
Asian culture has a different style which is why consoles like PS3 and Wii may thrive in the asian countries. I like to think of Xbox360 as a system that seems to be more catered towards the US and Europe. Sony and Nintendo have experience with the asian culture since they have their headquarters in Japan so it's only natural that they have the edge over sales in Japan over Microsoft (US based).
As for this next-gen console war, PS3 may be going over the top with this pricing thing. Sure diehard PS3 fans and people who like things that have "Sony" on it are gonna buy the PS3 at its premium price. What about the average middle class in the US? Sony's asking 600 bucks for a console and that is not easy to shell out at all for someone middle class that doesn't know much about video games.
Sure you're getting a really awesome console with the best hardware that can't be beat for a deal of 600 bucks, but is that what people really want now? Or rather, is it enough to persuade the average person to get the console?
If Sony's audience is the gamer-hardcore gamer type then their pitch'll probably do well, but if they're looking to get a wide variety of people into this, then they're gonna have some trouble pulling it off.
Also, I've heard that Sony's planning on releasing "upgraded" versions of the PS3 in the future (more RAM or a more tweaked processor, etc). I have to say personally that it is a very bad decision if they plan on doing that to the extent as I imagine it.
I think if Bluray shoots off well to the consumer, then the PS3 should go down in price significantly... so while it may be a rough start at first, I think as long as Bluray wins, then the PS3'll get more fuel for the fire.
And yea, it's about the games too... with support from Konami, Capcom, Namco, and especially Square-Enix, Sony's got solid 3rd party support, and quite frankly, it's Konami and Square-Enix support that make me want the PS3... as it did for the PS2.
People, you have got to be kidding me. Who cares what the state of the PS3 system is in June. It's not due till November. You 360 guys just want gamers to stop waiting for PS3 and buy your box. Its a Microsoft tactic to disourage gamers and make then lose faith in Sony's ability to deliver and purchase a 360.
Do you really think that the leader in the console game market won't produce a high impact system? Do you really think it won't be on par with the 360? Alot of this is either Sony's hype to keep the PS3 in the news OR MS's hype to make the consumer loose confidence in the Sony brand.
All you loyalist are falling for it. Supporting a system as if it actually meant somthing.
Last Gen I owned an XBOX because I felt it was the better system. Now I am going to get both systems but I will get the PS3 first, why? I like the fact that Sony is selling me a complete system for $600, instead of piece by piece for $600. And because I really missed my quality RPG's when I had the xbox (the only one was Fable). I will get the 360 when the core version is like $200, maybe christmas 2007.
Listen I don't want to take anything away from the 360 I just prefer the games on the PS3. But I still want to play Halo 3, GOW, Fable 2, and Too Human just not at the expens of missing out on FFXIII and FF Versus XIII. And yes I would give up all of the 360 games for Final Fantasy alone, but to put things in perspective there are like 8 other games comming on the PS3 (not necessarily exclusives) at launch that I can't wait to play. AND I GET A BLURAY Drive with an HDMI input to complement my 45" Sharp Aquos.
Its interesting to see that further and further through these postings, those who started it all off, with the venom of a deranged Cobra I might add, were either talking up the 360, or putting down the PS3, actually all seemed to teeter off as those with a bit of sense and logic wrote their own postings.
It was also interesting to see that those who backed the 360 comments, not only lacked appreciation of either Sony or Nintendo, but were also lacking in a fair bit of grammar and general coherence? I mean come on, if youre backing the Microsoft 360 so much, surely you know that Microsoft Word has Spell Check?
But alas, thats not what this is all about is it? this is about two [maybe three] next generation gaming consoles that have created such a stir that youd think the price of petrol was now an insignificant issue sent to the back docks of the worlds need to fix list?
To be fair, 360 has such a head start on the next generation war that Microsoft has every reason to feel comfortable about their apparently demanding lead on this matter. In fact, Microsoft have every reason to flat-out cream what ever comes its way simply because they will have had their console out for over 12 months even before the next generation console-cab comes off the ranks. That is 12 months which has included the busiest shopping season, and from economic reports, a season which saw record consumer confidence in many developed countries.
The 360 will also have been out long enough for ALL OF US to have had at least one birthday pushing further the assumption that the window of opportunity for consumers to purchase the first serving of next generation consoles belonged solely to Microsoft!
So why then should they care what Sony and Nintendo have to offer? After all, 12 months is an extremely long time when one is talking about trends, fashions and consumer spending behaviors! or is it? well get back to that later.
How about that motion sensor control Sony stole off Nintendo? I mean the nerve of them right? to steal an idea that Nintendo had intended to launch at E3 as their break-through point of difference! but was it really THEIR break-through concept?
According to reports from the father of Microsoft himself, Bill Gates confirmed that Microsoft actually released a motion sensor controller for a PC game many, many years before E3 2006, but deemed that it was "too" motion sensitive and ended up being withdrawn from sale.
So yeah, you still think Sony stole the idea from Nintendo? I think the 360 aficionados out there will agree with me that the idea was actually stolen from Microsoft by Sony AND Nintendo? but then again, was a motion sensitive controller the ONLY thing that Nintendo had to brag about at E3 2006? because I cant remember too much else about the Wii other than that its cute little name?
So now, back to the question of whether Microsoft, and its loyal followers for that matter, should even care about the fact that Sony and Nintendo will soon join the next generation console war when theyve had the market pretty much to themselves for about 12 months?
Of course they care. Whilst its true that the 360 has been the ONLY next generation console on the market for almost a year, its also true that the prediction by Peter Moore's [Corporate Vice President, Interactive Entertainment Business, Entertainment and Devices Division] that Microsoft will sell 10 million units by 2007 will STILL leave Microsoft behind Sony and then? Playstation 3 will launch!
Like it or not, the fact remains that with a consumer base of over 100 million Playstation 2 owners, even if Sony managed to sell Playstation 3s to only 10% of this core base in its initial launch, thats still 10 million units already! and I think most will agree that as consumers, many of us tend to follow the tried and true, i.e. we tend to latch onto a brand and stick with them through thick and thin for a while at least so the 10% is probably a very understated figure youd probably be looking more at 25% - 30% of Playstation 2 owners who wont be too worried about paying more for the new version of their beloved console taking the figure by my calculations to about 25 30 million units! and then of course, as with each console, when the price does come down, what then?!
So yeah, Im not sure how some of our 360 gamers might be measuring the current console wars, but if its in relation to raw number of units sold, then there may not actually be a question to answer there? If its in regards to broken promises, then some of you need to check with your mom and dads, because Im sure there were a few along the way whilst you were growing up but if its all good now, then whats to say that Sonys ill-advised promises arent going to come to fruition in the end also?
If, perish the thought, you may be measuring it on system specs, then again, even the most hardened 360 gamer has to appreciate that whilst Microsoft have released an undoubtedly fantastic machine, the Chinese smorgasbord of but wait theres more type menu of add-ons attached to the 360 raises the question of, how much will it actually cost in the end anyway? maybe about US$600?
Like so many things on offer to consumers these days, the next generation of consoles comes with a choice! The choice for most of us being, whether you buy a console that has unprecedented graphics capabilities. One that also boasts unmatched storage capacities and one that truly looks to set new grounds for the future or, you buy an Xbox 360?! ... choice is yours!
"You plan on buying a PS3 for the simple reason they release games that you like to play huh? You named 3 games and 1 of the 3 will be on the xbox360. The other two that impressed you at E3 showed no in game footage."
None of that is true; Assasins creed has not been anounced for xbox 360 yet, the other two trailers contained confirmed in-game assets and were rendered in real time on PS3. (All games at e3 used prototype PS3 hardware; some of which was stored in pc boxes).
"Its the problem I have with Sony. They over hype the games and under deliver when you actually buy them and play them. Think about the life of the PS2. Name 10 games that were stand out titles that delivered on the hype. Xbox 360 and PS3 will have many of the same titles."
I find Sony has always delivered the best console experience of their generation.
10 games? Final Fantasy X, Ico, Shadow of the Colosus, Metal Gear Solid 2, MGS 3, Gran Tourismo 3, Tekken 5, God of War, Dragon Quest VIII. None of which are likely to have sequels on the Xbox 360. Think about it... PS3 owners will be justified in their purchase.
"But you have to give the nod to the 360 with the exclusives in this next Gen."
Nope, your wrong there. With such a large presence in the world wide scene (especially Japan) count on the lions share of new and innovative franchises to be born on PS3 just as happened with PS1 and PS2.
You know, you guys don't nessesarly have to hate people for not liking the same system because that is just dumb. And another thing, when people say 360 looks and sounds better then PS3, how much better is it? is it big enough to blow your mind? or is it just a lil' bit better? PS3 still has work to be done you know? they are still doing things on it. I also don't know if these online sources are reliable and as for Xbox defenders, it's ok to like Xbox, but it might help your credability if your not so Biased all the time, and actually try to mention some good things about PS3. As for me, I want my PS3 regardless of the inferior power. Xbox is indeed the better but they never wowed me with their gaming.
ohh here's something I forgot to mention, how come people say there was no playabble demos on PS3 when Resistance: Fall Of Man was a playable demo? and how come people act as if the cell processor is the only one being used when PS3 has the RSX processor as well? yeah, last time I checked, these things were true. So next time someone argues about hardware and demos, you should actually give the full story okay?
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Also a lot of people were dissapointed at the games from E3, but ps3 is a very complicated machine and developers need time to learn how to utulize all its power. Just look at ps2 games right now, they look way better than the launch ps2 titles. It will be the same for ps3. 2-3 years down the road ps3's games will be graphically superior to the xbox 360's games.
Im not even talking about the wii because its going in a different direction, but im sure it will do at least as good as the ds.
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As for this next-gen console war, PS3 may be going over the top with this pricing thing. Sure diehard PS3 fans and people who like things that have "Sony" on it are gonna buy the PS3 at its premium price. What about the average middle class in the US? Sony's asking 600 bucks for a console and that is not easy to shell out at all for someone middle class that doesn't know much about video games.
Sure you're getting a really awesome console with the best hardware that can't be beat for a deal of 600 bucks, but is that what people really want now? Or rather, is it enough to persuade the average person to get the console?
If Sony's audience is the gamer-hardcore gamer type then their pitch'll probably do well, but if they're looking to get a wide variety of people into this, then they're gonna have some trouble pulling it off.
Also, I've heard that Sony's planning on releasing "upgraded" versions of the PS3 in the future (more RAM or a more tweaked processor, etc). I have to say personally that it is a very bad decision if they plan on doing that to the extent as I imagine it.
I think if Bluray shoots off well to the consumer, then the PS3 should go down in price significantly... so while it may be a rough start at first, I think as long as Bluray wins, then the PS3'll get more fuel for the fire.
And yea, it's about the games too... with support from Konami, Capcom, Namco, and especially Square-Enix, Sony's got solid 3rd party support, and quite frankly, it's Konami and Square-Enix support that make me want the PS3... as it did for the PS2.
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Do you really think that the leader in the console game market won't produce a high impact system? Do you really think it won't be on par with the 360? Alot of this is either Sony's hype to keep the PS3 in the news OR MS's hype to make the consumer loose confidence in the Sony brand.
All you loyalist are falling for it. Supporting a system as if it actually meant somthing.
Last Gen I owned an XBOX because I felt it was the better system. Now I am going to get both systems but I will get the PS3 first, why? I like the fact that Sony is selling me a complete system for $600, instead of piece by piece for $600. And because I really missed my quality RPG's when I had the xbox (the only one was Fable). I will get the 360 when the core version is like $200, maybe christmas 2007.
Listen I don't want to take anything away from the 360 I just prefer the games on the PS3. But I still want to play Halo 3, GOW, Fable 2, and Too Human just not at the expens of missing out on FFXIII and FF Versus XIII. And yes I would give up all of the 360 games for Final Fantasy alone, but to put things in perspective there are like 8 other games comming on the PS3 (not necessarily exclusives) at launch that I can't wait to play. AND I GET A BLURAY Drive with an HDMI input to complement my 45" Sharp Aquos.
On NOV 17th ... Consider it Done!
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It was also interesting to see that those who backed the 360 comments, not only lacked appreciation of either Sony or Nintendo, but were also lacking in a fair bit of grammar and general coherence? I mean come on, if youre backing the Microsoft 360 so much, surely you know that Microsoft Word has Spell Check?
But alas, thats not what this is all about is it? this is about two [maybe three] next generation gaming consoles that have created such a stir that youd think the price of petrol was now an insignificant issue sent to the back docks of the worlds need to fix list?
To be fair, 360 has such a head start on the next generation war that Microsoft has every reason to feel comfortable about their apparently demanding lead on this matter. In fact, Microsoft have every reason to flat-out cream what ever comes its way simply because they will have had their console out for over 12 months even before the next generation console-cab comes off the ranks. That is 12 months which has included the busiest shopping season, and from economic reports, a season which saw record consumer confidence in many developed countries.
The 360 will also have been out long enough for ALL OF US to have had at least one birthday pushing further the assumption that the window of opportunity for consumers to purchase the first serving of next generation consoles belonged solely to Microsoft!
So why then should they care what Sony and Nintendo have to offer? After all, 12 months is an extremely long time when one is talking about trends, fashions and consumer spending behaviors! or is it? well get back to that later.
How about that motion sensor control Sony stole off Nintendo? I mean the nerve of them right? to steal an idea that Nintendo had intended to launch at E3 as their break-through point of difference! but was it really THEIR break-through concept?
According to reports from the father of Microsoft himself, Bill Gates confirmed that Microsoft actually released a motion sensor controller for a PC game many, many years before E3 2006, but deemed that it was "too" motion sensitive and ended up being withdrawn from sale.
So yeah, you still think Sony stole the idea from Nintendo? I think the 360 aficionados out there will agree with me that the idea was actually stolen from Microsoft by Sony AND Nintendo? but then again, was a motion sensitive controller the ONLY thing that Nintendo had to brag about at E3 2006? because I cant remember too much else about the Wii other than that its cute little name?
So now, back to the question of whether Microsoft, and its loyal followers for that matter, should even care about the fact that Sony and Nintendo will soon join the next generation console war when theyve had the market pretty much to themselves for about 12 months?
Of course they care. Whilst its true that the 360 has been the ONLY next generation console on the market for almost a year, its also true that the prediction by Peter Moore's [Corporate Vice President, Interactive Entertainment Business, Entertainment and Devices Division] that Microsoft will sell 10 million units by 2007 will STILL leave Microsoft behind Sony and then? Playstation 3 will launch!
Like it or not, the fact remains that with a consumer base of over 100 million Playstation 2 owners, even if Sony managed to sell Playstation 3s to only 10% of this core base in its initial launch, thats still 10 million units already! and I think most will agree that as consumers, many of us tend to follow the tried and true, i.e. we tend to latch onto a brand and stick with them through thick and thin for a while at least so the 10% is probably a very understated figure youd probably be looking more at 25% - 30% of Playstation 2 owners who wont be too worried about paying more for the new version of their beloved console taking the figure by my calculations to about 25 30 million units! and then of course, as with each console, when the price does come down, what then?!
So yeah, Im not sure how some of our 360 gamers might be measuring the current console wars, but if its in relation to raw number of units sold, then there may not actually be a question to answer there? If its in regards to broken promises, then some of you need to check with your mom and dads, because Im sure there were a few along the way whilst you were growing up but if its all good now, then whats to say that Sonys ill-advised promises arent going to come to fruition in the end also?
If, perish the thought, you may be measuring it on system specs, then again, even the most hardened 360 gamer has to appreciate that whilst Microsoft have released an undoubtedly fantastic machine, the Chinese smorgasbord of but wait theres more type menu of add-ons attached to the 360 raises the question of, how much will it actually cost in the end anyway? maybe about US$600?
Like so many things on offer to consumers these days, the next generation of consoles comes with a choice! The choice for most of us being, whether you buy a console that has unprecedented graphics capabilities. One that also boasts unmatched storage capacities and one that truly looks to set new grounds for the future or, you buy an Xbox 360?! ... choice is yours!
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None of that is true; Assasins creed has not been anounced for xbox 360 yet, the other two trailers contained confirmed in-game assets and were rendered in real time on PS3. (All games at e3 used prototype PS3 hardware; some of which was stored in pc boxes).
"Its the problem I have with Sony. They over hype the games and under deliver when you actually buy them and play them. Think about the life of the PS2. Name 10 games that were stand out titles that delivered on the hype. Xbox 360 and PS3 will have many of the same titles."
I find Sony has always delivered the best console experience of their generation.
10 games? Final Fantasy X, Ico, Shadow of the Colosus, Metal Gear Solid 2, MGS 3, Gran Tourismo 3, Tekken 5, God of War, Dragon Quest VIII. None of which are likely to have sequels on the Xbox 360. Think about it... PS3 owners will be justified in their purchase.
"But you have to give the nod to the 360 with the exclusives in this next Gen."
Nope, your wrong there. With such a large presence in the world wide scene (especially Japan) count on the lions share of new and innovative franchises to be born on PS3 just as happened with PS1 and PS2.
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