Carmack: Blu-ray gives PS3 Rage advantage over Xbox 360

By James Orry - 01/08/2008 - 11:19am GMT

Three DVDs required for the Xbox 360 version of Rage, or else the game's visuals will need to be compressed.

Speaking during the QuakeCon keynote, id Software's John Carmack has revealed that the Xbox 360's DVD format could result in the developer's upcoming game, Rage, being compromised on the platform.

According to Shacknews Carmack noted three DVDs will be needed for the Xbox 360 version, although royalty fees to include a third disc would rule out this option. Unless Microsoft makes a concession, id will be forced to release the game on two DVDs with heavy compression, thus making the game look worse than the PS3 version.

Carmack stressed that the issue is entirely related to storage and has nothing to do with the Xbox 360 hardware. However, he added that the PS3's Blu-ray does give the console an advantage.

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Posted at 11:45 on 01 August 2008
Alienange	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post MS better get their act together on this one. Can you imagine an id game on 3 dvds ? Yikes ... thank goodness for blu-ray. Reply

Posted at 12:03 on 01 August 2008
Mornelithe	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post Oh wait, so having BR in the PS3 was an advantage? Will wonders never cease! Morne Reply

Posted at 12:16 on 01 August 2008
El-Dev	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post It's taken developers 18months to realise this. Just shows that whilst the 360 had momentum none of them wanted to piss off MS. Now PS3 has momentum developers are ready to push it even if it means it being better than the 360. Report Reply

Posted at 13:50 on 01 August 2008
SR	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post About TIME! At last a developer willing to try and see what the PS3 is capable of instead of being sucked into crapy ports. MS wouldnt even be able to buy them selves out of this one.Last edited on Fri 1 August 2008 by FantasyMeister Reply

Posted at 14:18 on 01 August 2008
Dave	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post I rember titles coming out on multiple cd's too and people didn't not care as long as the game was good. Final Fantasy good example. I do believe though Xbox games will soon require the HD to play future games, as some files will have to be uncrommressed and downloaded to HDD to allow the game to play properly. Only time will tell! Reply

Posted at 14:39 on 01 August 2008
Alienange	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post It's true Dave, but that was then. Wouldn't you just love a copy of FF7 on one disc? It is great that id is calling MS out on this one. The 360 is a nice machine but in the end it's still only xbox 1.5 Reply

Posted at 15:27 on 01 August 2008
Rooter	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post It's really becoming less of a problem with Multiple discs. Have you guys forgotten that at E3 - MS announced that you can now copy your games to your Hard drive? This makes the loading times much...much faster. Ofcourse, there's too problems with this 1. not everyone has a 120 GB drive like I do 2. MS charges too much for a 120 GB HD. Reply

Posted at 15:39 on 01 August 2008
GC328	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post Switch disks is actually a good thing. It makes the lazy-couch potato get up of his/her butt and do some exercise :) Trust me, you'll need it after sitting down for 6 - 8 hours straight playing video games. Reply

Posted at 15:42 on 01 August 2008
Rooter	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post True - probably more exercise than you actually would get out of that wii console. lol Reply

Posted at 15:44 on 01 August 2008
Alienange	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post No, the Wii makes us get off our couch. The 360 gives us Rage from id software. Reply

Posted at 16:13 on 01 August 2008
Rooter	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post I would think an xbox 1.5 could even have the ability to give us RAGE. Why do you make ignorant statements like that anyway? Reply

Posted at 16:20 on 01 August 2008
sinn1	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post I love the fanboys they only tell half truths. He does tip the advantage in the blue ray department but he also said this "By contrast, all of Rage's content will fit onto just one of the high-capacity Blu-Ray discs used by the PlayStation 3. However, Carmack shut down many Sony loyalists' blooming braggadocio by saying that while the Blu-Ray disc is clearly his preferred medium, the 360 is a superior piece of hardware for developers. My source is: http://www.gamespot.com/news/6195274.html Reply

Posted at 16:23 on 01 August 2008
FantasyMeister	0 0 In response to Rooter's post I would think an xbox 1.5 could even have the ability to give us RAGE. Why do you make ignorant statements like that anyway? » Go to Rooter's original post Microsoft would seem a bit daft not to conceed in this case. The simple threat of a game looking better on PS3 if they don't should be reason enough. They really should look at the way they handle royalties for one game regardless of the number of discs it comes with. I hope Carmack gets the response he's looking for, this is basically holding Microsoft to ransom for a good cause. Report Reply

Posted at 16:33 on 01 August 2008
Rooter	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post Uhh...typo. Could = Couldn't in my last post. Reply

Posted at 13:17 on 03 August 2008
HardAsFook	0 0 In response to Article » Go to 's original post From Carmack's interview on 1UP: - Development and Tool: It’s almost unequivocal across the board that the 360’s a better platform to develop for. GPU: On almost anything on the strictly graphical side, in terms of pushing vertexes and triangles on there, the 360’s hardware is superior to the PS3’s RSX. If you’re just pushing allot of fragments across it, the 360 will be faster in almost all cases. You have to kinda push hard for it to find cases where the graphics side would ever be any better [on the PS3]. CPU’s: . Given a finite time of development time it’s much, much easier to get things working well on the 360 than it is on the PS3, and that’s pretty much the case across the board. Memory: The other major difference is the memory partitioning, and one of the biggest things that Sony does poorly for developers is their system stuff sucks up allot more resources than Microsoft’s does on the 360, so memory is MUCH more painful on the PS3.We spend a lot more time trying to crunch down the memory for that, as well as optimizing up the graphics rasterization for performance. Storage: That’s the only real advantage that the PS3 has over the 360 from our point of view is the extra space. I guess this site forgot to mention those parts! Swapping a disc is far quicker than sitting waiting for 20 minutes while the first part of a game installs, then waiting for 5 minutes for each level to load, ala MGS4. Reply